5 comments on “Roundup: Copenhagen

  1. MM,

    In some ways there is a similar thing going one, but I feel like the Obama folks are trying to spin Copenhagen as a win, so they’re not too keen on pointing out failures. There is also just a much lower level of attention paid to the actual details of events, so the public perception is muted on most things. It’s no surprise to me at all that the threads are closer to the truth than the reporting. There is a built in sinophobia to much of American politics. We have a number of commentators that still insist on calling out “Red China”, but its usually for perceived “unfair trade practices” or occasionally “human rights” violations and not climate change issues (unless they’re connected to “the trade deficit”). That China appears to own much American debt leads to any number of whacked out conspiracy theories. I expect that as economic competition develops between the two, we will have to battle sinophobia in much of our daily work. Here’s the link to MM’s Guardian letter



  2. Thanks for the mention, RR. What’s now emerging from the Big Fail is an alarming bout of sinophobia in the British media. Is it the same over there? It’s quite amusing to read the threads at the Indy and Guardian where posters are robustly rebutting the press bias and showing an understanding much greater than that of some of the journalists.


  3. Ellen,

    If it were possible for my personal choices to change to world, how come they can’t find me a job? Since it is the producing of meat (specifically on a non-grass diet) and not the eating of meat that creates the methane emissions, which are certainly a major contributing factor in the problem, and since it is also true that far more waste of resources and damage to eco-systems are based on the extraction and manufacturing end of the economic cycle; I propose that, rather than I forgoing a delicious coney dog every now and then, and based on the experts I have read, that the way to deal with the problem of our destructive productive process would be: instead of relying on changes in consumer habits (while not discounting them), to expropriate the agri-business industry (and all others as well), placing production at the service of humanity and planning the entire economy, not on the basis of profit, but on that of sustainability. Relying on different commodities to solve the problem when it is commodity production (and its associated drive to accumulation) that is the source of the problem is no answer. I don’t want to be dismissive about what you say; we should lead by example. I recognize that large scale meat production is a huge source of not just the CO2 problem, but other irrational and destructive impacts on our ecological relationships (to say nothing of the social and class conflicts cause by the industry). A rationally planed economy would include far less beef and other meats in folks diets; of that I have no doubt. Me not eating a, again delicious, coney dog would, it seems to me, be one of the very least things I could do in support of the needed changes. Yes, there is some hypocrisy in me eating such things while recognizing the damages caused by the industry that produces it. I am not encouraging a mass dietary shift to the industrial-produced chili dog; then the consumption may actually become the biggest source of methane emissions. I have worked for companies that treat people and the environment as utterly disposable. I pay taxes to a government I see as the force of greatest reaction in the world. And yet I am a revolutionary. Life is full of such hypocrisies, navigating them is how we get along in the world and keep our marbles (and our bellies full).



  4. Since experts say the biggest factor in climate change is factory farming, and that if we stopped eating meat it would have a bigger impact than emissions control, how ’bout giving up the chili dogs?


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